Ok so I would have to say I am a bit embarrassed to have missed the obvious, even after giving myself the answer while I was querying you guys by saying I needed to change the From before it got signed lol. Anyway enough about how daft I am and on to the nitty gritty, so I went back and used the sendmail -t and set my From: to root_at_marlborosurvey.net. The results showed a pass, just to make sure it wasn't something I changed I sent another email from the command line and it still failed. So it looks like I am in working order as long as I use a client that allows me to change the From like you guys said to the domain instead of the hostname.domain. I appreciate all your guys help and patience, anyway here are the details of the email:
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Return-Path: <root_at_marlborosurvey.net>
X-Original-To: P5rnnyqLHp_at_www.brandonchecketts.com
Delivered-To: spamapp_at_www.brandonchecketts.com
Received: from mail.marlborosurvey.net (mail.marlborosurvey.net [64.0.29.71])
by www.brandonchecketts.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FD2F2429F
for <P5rnnyqLHp_at_www.brandonchecketts.com>; Wed, 27 Oct 2010 10:18:48 -0400 (EDT)
Received: from mail.marlborosurvey.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1])
by mail.marlborosurvey.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id o9REIm4J011224
for <P5rnnyqLHp_at_www.brandonchecketts.com>; Wed, 27 Oct 2010 08:18:48 -0600
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=marlborosurvey.net;
s=mail; t=1288189128;
bh=Hy61WwSEndqwKzArKPLZcQPACoRjmbmRdNbnqGWeg+Y=;
h=Date:Message-Id:From:To:Subject;
z=Date:=20Wed,=2027=20Oct=202010=2008:18:22=20-0600|Message-Id:=20<
201010271418.o9REIMwN011223_at_mail.marlborosurvey.net>|From:=20root_at_
marlborosurvey.net|To:=20P5rnnyqLHp_at_www.brandonchecketts.com|Subje
ct:=20test;
b=vtLnNWTd/CwGPgViNyRUBzum52DjHiOhafike+31/nH9FLrThyBdpUkwohQ1/Ey6O
xvTXAts1eav2Ri/ARcVGW5I1ahd4cgptwze0SlD2rPBEpFUoa6u5JiZCyQogdZjktE
R7V7w4e/ifxe7o/wX2vTJ4E/oydHQi7PWdzOp3Ec=
Received: (from root_at_localhost)
by mail.marlborosurvey.net (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id o9REIMwN011223;
Wed, 27 Oct 2010 08:18:22 -0600
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 08:18:22 -0600
Message-Id: <201010271418.o9REIMwN011223_at_mail.marlborosurvey.net>
From: root_at_marlborosurvey.net
To: P5rnnyqLHp_at_www.brandonchecketts.com
Subject: test
This is a test.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
and the Pass it gave me:
DKIM Information:DKIM Signature
Message contains this DKIM Signature:
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=marlborosurvey.net;
s=mail; t=1288189128;
bh=Hy61WwSEndqwKzArKPLZcQPACoRjmbmRdNbnqGWeg+Y=;
h=Date:Message-Id:From:To:Subject;
z=Date:=20Wed,=2027=20Oct=202010=2008:18:22=20-0600|Message-Id:=20<
201010271418.o9REIMwN011223_at_mail.marlborosurvey.net>|From:=20root_at_
marlborosurvey.net|To:=20P5rnnyqLHp_at_www.brandonchecketts.com|Subje
ct:=20test;
b=vtLnNWTd/CwGPgViNyRUBzum52DjHiOhafike+31/nH9FLrThyBdpUkwohQ1/Ey6O
xvTXAts1eav2Ri/ARcVGW5I1ahd4cgptwze0SlD2rPBEpFUoa6u5JiZCyQogdZjktE
R7V7w4e/ifxe7o/wX2vTJ4E/oydHQi7PWdzOp3Ec=
Signature Information:
v= Version: 1
a= Algorithm: rsa-sha256
c= Method: relaxed/simple
d= Domain: marlborosurvey.net
s= Selector: mail
q= Protocol:
bh= Hy61WwSEndqwKzArKPLZcQPACoRjmbmRdNbnqGWeg+Y=
h= Signed Headers: Date:Message-Id:From:To:Subject
b= Data: vtLnNWTd/CwGPgViNyRUBzum52DjHiOhafike+31/nH9FLrThyBdpUkwohQ1/Ey6O
xvTXAts1eav2Ri/ARcVGW5I1ahd4cgptwze0SlD2rPBEpFUoa6u5JiZCyQogdZjktE
R7V7w4e/ifxe7o/wX2vTJ4E/oydHQi7PWdzOp3Ec=
Public Key DNS Lookup
Building DNS Query for mail._domainkey.marlborosurvey.net
Retrieved this publickey from DNS: v=DKIM1; k=rsa; p=MIGfMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBAQUAA4GNADCBiQKBgQDGAq3ldG6D1fJiWoXPDpKg9dx42LhQysLAgMwo7cDrBiPMJ9jKh/YIAPAdFm6lHMWOQiL+IryQH+XCMSecdEj67Uw+EIxMgVT/KNQAH9Lqax8YnM5f91XZrazHLfa8U+bzHrSw15VhXCe9wb+sDtSa3E39naEY7nW5EJRCnCEm0QIDAQAB
Validating Signature
result = pass
Details:
From: msk_at_cloudmark.com
To: opendkim-users_at_lists.opendkim.org
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 16:12:45 -0700
Subject: RE: Signing problem
Now we’re back to “d=” being right but the From: being rewritten
by sendmail.
It’s actually a slightly different problem than I thought.
Since you’re signing with “z=” tags (“Diagnostics” in the config file), we can
see that you’re sending mail with:
From: root
I suspect you’re using a shell mail program like “mail” or “mailx”
to do your testing. Your MTA is adding “_at_marlborosurvey.net” to that, but only
after the signature is generated. That’s making validation impossible.
I showed in an earlier message how to test this, and I think you
showed us a “GOOD” result from sendmail.net. That means everything is
configured correctly, so quit messing with opendkim now. J
So what’s left is to arrange that the From: on the message isn’t
altered outbound. Your best bet is to either:
-
Arrange that the program generating the mail sends a complete
From: header field so that sendmail doesn’t have to modify it. How you do that
depends on how you’re sending the mail. I already showed you one way, by
invoking sendmail directly.
-
Use the “ReplaceRules” feature, also described previously, to
assume those modifications at signing time, meaning what gets signed is the
same as what gets sent and received.
You don’t need SigningTable or KeyTable if you do either of
those things.
You might also try sending mail with another shell program or
mail agent, like Alpine or Thunderbird or something like that, which do
generate complete From: fields on outgoing mail.
From:
opendkim-users-bounce_at_lists.opendkim.org
[mailto:opendkim-users-bounce_at_lists.opendkim.org] On Behalf Of Jason
Clint
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 4:04 PM
To: steve_at_stevejenkins.com
Cc: opendkim-users_at_lists.opendkim.org
Subject: RE: Signing problem
ok
so I removed the ,mail.marlborosurvey.net from the domain line in the
conf. Here are the results from the test site:
DKIM Signature
Message contains this DKIM Signature:
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=marlborosurvey.net;
s=mail; t=1288134098; i=_at_marlborosurvey.net;
bh=frcCV1k9oG9oKj3dpUqdJg1PxRT2RSN/XKdLCPjaYaY=;
h=Date:From:Message-Id:To;
z=Date:=20Tue,=2026=20Oct=202010=2017:01:37=20-0600|From:=20root=20
|Message-Id:=20<201010262301.o9QN1bV
i008616_at_mail.marlborosurvey.net>|To:=20pYYPEv3cs7_at_www.brandoncheck
etts.com;
b=RoeXZC5uF76DnPPbyeVVezTqpp6t5k9j5cX6YepAv1HgBMeQH4OAdklOVOv2ya6Y+
wFeoyqMn4aNuzZgWoJkWCHKvhUN6R+fsazlAgx6mg5Q0DgIa3DMQJMGZRADsaFezBH
chJPOmr0DDpGVcEckZmCVwYKb6to8gRlaoxb6Y2U=
Signature Information:
v= Version: 1
a= Algorithm: rsa-sha256
c= Method: relaxed/simple
d= Domain: marlborosurvey.net
s= Selector: mail
q= Protocol:
bh= frcCV1k9oG9oKj3dpUqdJg1PxRT2RSN/XKdLCPjaYaY=
h= Signed Headers: Date:From:Message-Id:To
b= Data: RoeXZC5uF76DnPPbyeVVezTqpp6t5k9j5cX6YepAv1HgBMeQH4OAdklOVOv2ya6Y+
wFeoyqMn4aNuzZgWoJkWCHKvhUN6R+fsazlAgx6mg5Q0DgIa3DMQJMGZRADsaFezBH
chJPOmr0DDpGVcEckZmCVwYKb6to8gRlaoxb6Y2U=
Public Key DNS Lookup
Building DNS Query for mail._domainkey.marlborosurvey.net
Retrieved this publickey from DNS: v=DKIM1; k=rsa; p=MIGfMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBAQUAA4GNADCBiQKBgQDGAq3ldG6D1fJiWoXPDpKg9dx42LhQysLAgMwo7cDrBiPMJ9jKh/YIAPAdFm6lHMWOQiL+IryQH+XCMSecdEj67Uw+EIxMgVT/KNQAH9Lqax8YnM5f91XZrazHLfa8U+bzHrSw15VhXCe9wb+sDtSa3E39naEY7nW5EJRCnCEm0QIDAQAB
Validating Signature
result = fail
Details: message has been altered
And the email:
Return-Path: <root_at_marlborosurvey.net>
X-Original-To: pYYPEv3cs7_at_www.brandonchecketts.com
Delivered-To: spamapp_at_www.brandonchecketts.com
Received: from mail.marlborosurvey.net (mail.marlborosurvey.net [64.0.29.71])
by www.brandonchecketts.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E2302429F
for <pYYPEv3cs7_at_www.brandonchecketts.com>; Tue, 26 Oct 2010 19:01:37 -0400 (EDT)
Received: from mail.marlborosurvey.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1])
by mail.marlborosurvey.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id o9QN1bBD008617
for <pYYPEv3cs7_at_www.brandonchecketts.com>; Tue, 26 Oct 2010 17:01:38 -0600
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=marlborosurvey.net;
s=mail; t=1288134098; i=_at_marlborosurvey.net;
bh=frcCV1k9oG9oKj3dpUqdJg1PxRT2RSN/XKdLCPjaYaY=;
h=Date:From:Message-Id:To;
z=Date:=20Tue,=2026=20Oct=202010=2017:01:37=20-0600|From:=20root=20
<root_at_mail.marlborosurvey.net>|Message-Id:=20<201010262301.o9QN1bV
i008616_at_mail.marlborosurvey.net>|To:=20pYYPEv3cs7_at_www.brandoncheck
etts.com;
b=RoeXZC5uF76DnPPbyeVVezTqpp6t5k9j5cX6YepAv1HgBMeQH4OAdklOVOv2ya6Y+
wFeoyqMn4aNuzZgWoJkWCHKvhUN6R+fsazlAgx6mg5Q0DgIa3DMQJMGZRADsaFezBH
chJPOmr0DDpGVcEckZmCVwYKb6to8gRlaoxb6Y2U=
Received: (from root_at_localhost)
by mail.marlborosurvey.net (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id o9QN1bVi008616
for pYYPEv3cs7_at_www.brandonchecketts.com; Tue, 26 Oct 2010 17:01:37 -0600
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 17:01:37 -0600
From: root <root_at_marlborosurvey.net>
Message-Id: <201010262301.o9QN1bVi008616_at_mail.marlborosurvey.net>
To: pYYPEv3cs7_at_www.brandonchecketts.com
From: nosaj_17_at_hotmail.com
To: steve_at_stevejenkins.com
CC: opendkim-users_at_lists.opendkim.org
Subject: RE: Signing problem
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 22:58:22 +0000
Ok so when I checked my dns it is set for the domain without hostnames, I have
a cname setup to point mail.marlborosurvey.net to marlborosurvey.net but the
actual mail._domainkey is set to just marlborosurvey.net? Also I am
confused what you guys mean by keyTable and signingTable? Is that an
option in the conf file?
From: steve_at_stevejenkins.com
To: nosaj_17_at_hotmail.com
CC: opendkim-users_at_lists.opendkim.org
Subject: RE: Signing problem
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 15:50:40 -0700
You’re REALLY close to having
this working! J
It looks like you figured out how to send as root_at_domain.net. So at this point, don’t change
anything with your MTA. Just focus on DKIM signing, and on your DNS settings.
I just checked your DNS entry:
[root_at_carbonfiber ~]# host -t TXT
mail._domainkey.marlborosurvey.net
mail._domainkey.marlborosurvey.net descriptive text
"v=DKIM1\; k=rsa\;
p=MIGfMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBAQUAA4GNADCBiQKBgQDGAq3ldG6D1fJiWoXPDpKg9dx42LhQysLAgMwo7cDrBiPMJ9jKh/YIAPAdFm6lHMWOQiL+IryQH+XCMSecdEj67Uw+EIxMgVT/KNQAH9Lqax8YnM5f91XZrazHLfa8U+bzHrSw15VhXCe9wb+sDtSa3E39naEY7nW5EJRCnCEm0QIDAQAB"
And that looks good for sending as root_at_marlborosurvey.net.
Now you need to make sure that your key is setup for just
marlborosurvey.net This last test says you did:
d=mail.marlborosurvey.net
Make sure you’ve created a key for just the domain without any
hostnames, then make sure your keyTable and signingTable are set to sign with
that key, and give it another test.
It should work!
SJ
From: Jason Clint
[mailto:nosaj_17_at_hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 3:43 PM
To: steve_at_stevejenkins.com
Cc: opendkim-users_at_lists.opendkim.org
Subject: RE: Signing problem
Looks like the same issue, if that test site
is correct. I only actually see the from address set as root_at_domain.com
though is that why you are saying its failing?
From: nosaj_17_at_hotmail.com
To: steve_at_stevejenkins.com
CC: opendkim-users_at_lists.opendkim.org
Subject: RE: Signing problem
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 22:39:34 +0000
Got this from that test:
DKIM Information:
DKIM Signature
Message contains this DKIM Signature:
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple;
d=mail.marlborosurvey.net; s=mail; t=1288132621;
bh=frcCV1k9oG9oKj3dpUqdJg1PxRT2RSN/XKdLCPjaYaY=;
h=Date:From:Message-Id:To;
z=Date:=20Tue,=2026=20Oct=202010=2016:37:01=20-0600|From:=20root=20
|Message-Id:=20<201010262237.o9QMb1x
d008348_at_mail.marlborosurvey.net>|To:=20pYYPEv3cs7_at_www.brandoncheck
etts.com;
b=ne4uSkDYbE9cwS65BJsfiYwuO8l72lDmfMq+YCiolZbgD/uJkwD8A2IB6Gd/SpUDS
AdmOgDoHFEtSVf8hn9Rz/eRfEgfKhLbPWQwKGrmRetfcoWRrTOKKU5WY62woqEW33t
wKLRe0J+bP379N06IOqps9RRSpsGU5IIWYzUcVW0=
Signature Information:
v= Version: 1
a= Algorithm: rsa-sha256
c= Method: relaxed/simple
d= Domain: mail.marlborosurvey.net
s= Selector: mail
q= Protocol:
bh= frcCV1k9oG9oKj3dpUqdJg1PxRT2RSN/XKdLCPjaYaY=
h= Signed Headers: Date:From:Message-Id:To
b= Data: ne4uSkDYbE9cwS65BJsfiYwuO8l72lDmfMq+YCiolZbgD/uJkwD8A2IB6Gd/SpUDS
AdmOgDoHFEtSVf8hn9Rz/eRfEgfKhLbPWQwKGrmRetfcoWRrTOKKU5WY62woqEW33t
wKLRe0J+bP379N06IOqps9RRSpsGU5IIWYzUcVW0=
Public Key DNS Lookup
Building DNS Query for mail._domainkey.mail.marlborosurvey.net
Retrieved this publickey from DNS:
Validating Signature
result = invalid
Details: public key: not available
and the email itself:
Return-Path: <root_at_marlborosurvey.net>
X-Original-To: pYYPEv3cs7_at_www.brandonchecketts.com
Delivered-To: spamapp_at_www.brandonchecketts.com
Received: from mail.marlborosurvey.net (mail.marlborosurvey.net [64.0.29.71])
by www.brandonchecketts.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2E252429F
for <pYYPEv3cs7_at_www.brandonchecketts.com>; Tue, 26 Oct 2010 18:37:00 -0400 (EDT)
Received: from mail.marlborosurvey.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1])
by mail.marlborosurvey.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id o9QMb1T3008349
for <pYYPEv3cs7_at_www.brandonchecketts.com>; Tue, 26 Oct 2010 16:37:01 -0600
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple;
d=mail.marlborosurvey.net; s=mail; t=1288132621;
bh=frcCV1k9oG9oKj3dpUqdJg1PxRT2RSN/XKdLCPjaYaY=;
h=Date:From:Message-Id:To;
z=Date:=20Tue,=2026=20Oct=202010=2016:37:01=20-0600|From:=20root=20
<root_at_mail.marlborosurvey.net>|Message-Id:=20<201010262237.o9QMb1x
d008348_at_mail.marlborosurvey.net>|To:=20pYYPEv3cs7_at_www.brandoncheck
etts.com;
b=ne4uSkDYbE9cwS65BJsfiYwuO8l72lDmfMq+YCiolZbgD/uJkwD8A2IB6Gd/SpUDS
AdmOgDoHFEtSVf8hn9Rz/eRfEgfKhLbPWQwKGrmRetfcoWRrTOKKU5WY62woqEW33t
wKLRe0J+bP379N06IOqps9RRSpsGU5IIWYzUcVW0=
Received: (from root_at_localhost)
by mail.marlborosurvey.net (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id o9QMb1xd008348
for pYYPEv3cs7_at_www.brandonchecketts.com; Tue, 26 Oct 2010 16:37:01 -0600
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 16:37:01 -0600
From: root <root_at_marlborosurvey.net>
Message-Id: <201010262237.o9QMb1xd008348_at_mail.marlborosurvey.net>
To: pYYPEv3cs7_at_www.brandonchecketts.com
From: steve_at_stevejenkins.com
To: nosaj_17_at_hotmail.com
CC: opendkim-users_at_lists.opendkim.org
Subject: RE: Signing problem
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 15:34:21 -0700
Hey, Jason. I also like using this to test:
http://www.brandonchecketts.com/emailtest.php
SteveJ
From: opendkim-users-bounce_at_lists.opendkim.org
[mailto:opendkim-users-bounce_at_lists.opendkim.org] On Behalf Of Jason
Clint
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 3:21 PM
To: tlyons_at_ivenue.com
Cc: opendkim-users_at_lists.opendkim.org
Subject: RE: Signing problem
apparently sendmail is starting to get sick
of me:
Oct 26 16:16:03 mail sendmail[6668]: o9QMG3VX006668: from=root, size=26,
class=0, nrcpts=1,
msgid=<201010262216.o9QMG3VX006668_at_mail.marlborosurvey.net>,
relay=root_at_localhost
Oct 26 16:16:03 mail sendmail[6669]: o9QMG3SJ006669:
from=<root_at_mail.marlborosurvey.net>, size=332, class=0, nrcpts=1,
msgid=<201010262216.o9QMG3VX006668_at_mail.marlborosurvey.net>, proto=ESMTP,
daemon=MTA, relay=localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]
Oct 26 16:16:03 mail sendmail[6669]: o9QMG3SJ006669: Milter insert (1): header:
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256;
c=relaxed/simple;\n\td=mail.marlborosurvey.net; s=mail;
t=1288131363;\n\tbh=frcCV1k9oG9oKj3dpUqdJg1PxRT2RSN/XKdLCPjaYaY=;\n\th=Date:From:Message-Id:To;\n\tz=Date:=20Tue,=2026=20Oct=202010=2016:16:03=20-0600|From:=20root=20\n\t
<root_at_mail.marlborosurvey.net>|Message-Id:=20<201010262216.o9QMG3V\n\t
X006668_at_mail.marlborosurvey.net>|To:=20sa-test_at_sendmail.net;\n\tb=DQ8aTRbSD2BwKTo8DQoqyrPbFs5xoDkQIodZmuJvfJ93GGUfANjXoTSGINdS14EGN\n\t
F4BeCntzj1A7GW1qeEWXIi2cbT6/I4L3AAzWkqkutS5hxm/76ljxZ4lX8bnK5ma6jz\n\t
t+V/MnxHKfbnU8quKhQHzjnxqHLTegIF30b40eEw=
Oct 26 16:16:03 mail sendmail[6668]: o9QMG3VX006668: to=sa-test_at_sendmail.net,
ctladdr=root (0/0), delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=relay, pri=30026,
relay=[127.0.0.1] [127.0.0.1], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (o9QMG3SJ006669 Message
accepted for delivery)
Oct 26 16:16:04 mail sendmail[6672]: STARTTLS=client, relay=smtp.sendmail.net.,
version=TLSv1/SSLv3, verify=FAIL, cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA, bits=256/256
Oct 26 16:16:05 mail sendmail[6672]: o9QMG3SJ006669:
to=<sa-test_at_sendmail.net>, ctladdr=<root_at_mail.marlborosurvey.net>
(0/0), delay=00:00:02, xdelay=00:00:02, mailer=esmtp, pri=120332,
relay=smtp.sendmail.net. [209.246.26.21], dsn=4.0.0,
stat=Deferred: 451 4.3.2 Please try again later
I will have to check on it in a minute!
From:
nosaj_17_at_hotmail.com
To: tlyons_at_ivenue.com
CC: opendkim-users_at_lists.opendkim.org
Subject: RE: Signing problem
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 22:17:29 +0000
Just so you know its not whats in the log that bothers me but the response I
get back from sa-test_at_sendmail.net which is.......check that, I just looked
at the last log entry and saw this:
We hope this service has been helpful to you.
Authentication System: DomainKeys
Identified Mail
Result:
DKIM signature confirmed GOOD
Description:
Signature verified, message arrived intact
Reporting
host:
sendmail.net
More information:
http://mipassoc.org/dkim/
Sendmail
milter:
https://sourceforge.net/projects/dkim-milter/
give me a second while I verify if its right and I didn't just doze off and
dream it started working.
> Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 15:11:27 -0700
> Subject: Re: Signing problem
> From: tlyons_at_ivenue.com
> To: nosaj_17_at_hotmail.com
> CC: opendkim-users_at_lists.opendkim.org
>
> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 2:24 PM, Jason Clint <nosaj_17_at_hotmail.com>
wrote:
> > Another update, setting the Domain to
> > marlborosurvey.net,mail.marlborosurvey.net gets rid of the other
errro:
> > Oct 26 15:07:44 mail opendkim[6446]: o9QL7iJ8006451: no signing
domain match
> > for `mail.marlborosurvey.net'
>
> I just wanted to point out that what you are seeing is not an
"error",
> it's debug output caused by the "LogWhy" statement being enabled
in
> your opendkim configuration.
>
> Murray, maybe a log identifier to indicate it's debug output and not
> an error would be beneficial. I'm torn though...
>
> --
> Regards... Todd
> I seek the truth...it is only persistence in self-delusion and
> ignorance that does harm. -- Marcus Aurealius
>
>
Received on Wed Oct 27 2010 - 14:25:19 PST